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you're tuned in to night vision radio

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exposing the truth one secret at a time

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prepare yourself as we explore the

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shadow worlds of suppressed history

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secret knowledge forbidden religion and

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welcome to night-vision radio

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good evening everybody

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this is night vision radio and I'm your

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host Renee Barnett coming in to you from

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the fiery Southern California want to

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give a shout out to all our friends in

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Ventura and Santa Barbara counties here

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in Los Angeles counties yeah we've had

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the fires but we cannot complain it's

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nothing compared to what our neighbors

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are going through up north of us and

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just wish everyone the best of luck and

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thank our firefighters and first

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responders for getting everything under

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control and not just our Southern

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California first responders but all

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those who came from other states to lend

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a helping hand and we haven't had much

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to complain about down here in Los

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Angeles mostly it's been the air quality

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and you can still hear it in my voice

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last week I lost my voice completely so

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I had to cancel the show but we're gonna

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carry on this week and I hope you'll

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forgive my little scratchy voice but

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we'll go right ahead because I'm really

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excited about tonight's guest he's

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coming to us all the way from Bolivia

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and I'm so excited to have him actually

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learned about his work through another

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friend of mine and of night-vision

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radios our good friend Cort Lindell and

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I think they've been brainstorming on a

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couple of things and shared some

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insights and maybe some research

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together and so I'm very happy that Cort

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introduced me to my guest tonight and he

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isn't a writer and Explorer and a

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researcher he is Dave Truman Dave thanks

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so much for joining me tonight

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oh thank you for asking me I'm you know

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really appreciate the request so yes

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well you know as I told you or I guess I

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should say warned you ahead of time you

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know South America the Andes

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you know Peru Bolivia those are places

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that I've my research hasn't really

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stretched into although as I shared with

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you and it's it's most of my listeners

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at least people that have tuned in

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before know that my areas of research

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has taken me oftentimes to Europe to the

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UK into France primarily and then some

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of the United States although our

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history is not as deep here at least as

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things although we are finding things

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now that we never knew were here before

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from some of our native tribes that we

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know now absolutely you know thousands

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and thousands of years ago if not

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millions so I actually Dave many of the

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listeners know I grew up in Oklahoma

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native tribes were pushed into by what

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government thereon on what was known as

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the Trail of Tears and there are 39

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tribes headquartered in Oklahoma and 120

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represented there so I grew up with that

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history all around me and 20 miles down

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the spiral Indian mounds and those never

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things were so so old and then go about

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Heavin or rune stone so there's so much

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history there that we never really paid

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now you you grew up in Liverpool is that

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of stone circles and other ancient

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monuments that you know existing bitten

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fascinated by these clay

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early on but I suppose something just

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2004 and in that book he has a chapter

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devoted to the site of Tiahuanaco

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in Bolivia which is just directly

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northwest of where I am now in Aurora

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that the builders of to an arc who may

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the sense that they the society when are

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it was chilly and traveled up into the

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some time until anarcho and it all sort

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of floats and they're really after that

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it was fascinating in all sorts of

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respects and yeah I'm sorry when I was

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looking through your material and I saw

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the material on Tiahuanaco and it you

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know I'm I'm learning very much as time

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names and things and relationships of

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names of places and I couldn't he the

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thinking of Tijuana New Mexico and I

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if you know as far as I know no but you

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can never tell with these things

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in fact the names here when aku is a bit

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of an anomaly nobody actually knows

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where it comes from or where it

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originates my friend here where I'm

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name that was given to the place quite

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the place of the Baraka

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actually lizard myself in the Indies the

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older Aymara Indians for it was KP Carla

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which means four stone in the center and

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Europe certain Greece Egypt's as well in

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North Africa the idea of a sort of

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geomantic center with a stone and on the

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phallus or something like that this the

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peyote Carla is really the sort of if

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consciousness of a triangle group and

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spirit or something like that so it G oh

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placed these things in at certain points

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or meaning of certain lines or according

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to certain constellations that to serve

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where I am now in Aurora which is in a

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line directly southeast assuming our

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team can actually draw a line on the map

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from here to team and our code goes

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straight through to and up and up

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straight through Cusco and right the way

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through the you know those concentric

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that lion align those straight through

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there and that right up it's over to

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so this alignment actually it's through

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distance as well and that isn't that is

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to a place called Inca papaya or Baqarah

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grande which lies just southeast of here

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which is a huge pyramid which looks just

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like a normal sort of hill in in the

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Andean landscape but actually is a huge

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vaulted structure that has been

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constructed artificially on the top of

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this mountain and you know you took

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about two thousand three thousand mile

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alignment right away along the running

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baffling how people had the scope and

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the ability to create this and have

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concentration of something that attracts

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of the fascination built in in in the

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sophistication that seems to be

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displayed in some of these sites now

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but not watching you can go to iron and

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chat comm and join us you don't have to

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guest or you can just watch and I'll be

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posting pictures throughout the show of

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some of the things that we're talking

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about and we're talking about these

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circles at Moray and it's amazing but it

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kind of goes back to you know to you

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were to your real passion doesn't it of

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these ancient very advanced

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civilizations that may have existed well

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I believe they did exist in the past and

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you say possibly pre Pleistocene and I

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think I put something slightly erroneous

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on my Facebook page when I said you know

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which was 2 and I you know over two and

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a half million years ago well that's

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when the Pleistocene H or era ended but

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it actually began what was it like

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eleven and a half million years ago or

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something like that so we're talking

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about pre 11 million years ago well I'm

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I mean I don't rule that house because I

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the cosmology is lots of ancient witches

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period of the last ice age and the

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transition from the last ice age so our

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so really I'm focusing on civilizations

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that maybe existed 30,000 years ago I

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say our last ice age and came to a

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sudden and abrupt end in a series of

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catastrophes that took place between

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about twelve thousand eight hundred and

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then a half thousand years ago and which

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is the traditional view is that the Ice

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Age ended very slowly and the earth were

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warmed up and so on but there's

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increasing evidence now that that wasn't

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the case the earth was warming up to

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about 12

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made 200 or 12,000 100 years ago and

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then suddenly for some unknown these and

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all of our reasons it plunged into

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another Ice Age for about 1500 years and

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then submit warmed up again and that was

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the start of Aliyah and lots of people

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in all sorts of areas some geologists

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and paleontologists are now saying that

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we went through this huge period of

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instability if you like this sort of

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cosmic experience of storms and we were

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subject to lots of cometary impacts and

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explosions there was coronal mass

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ejections which sank cosmic rays towards

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the earth and don't everything lots and

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lots and lots of volcanic activity host

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of things and huge floods whose floods

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and when I studied the mythology and the

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legends of the traditional people who

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lived in the Andes for many thousands of

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years and there's a surprising fit

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between this catastrophic scenario

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interpretation the transitions in the

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last ice age and what they say in their

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legends about what happened I mentioned

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in clip applier a few minutes ago one

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whole series of legends about what

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happened there this great structure

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that's built on top of a mountain in

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southern bolivia that suddenly the Sun

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went dark and there were earthquakes and

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then this huge was sweet like tsunami of

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water swept down the Andes from the

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northwest and the people took refuge in

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this place and they waited there until

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the waters subsided and they could start

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rebuilding what had been destroyed in

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the catastrophe well now did in any of

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the legends that you've studied of the

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cultures there when they talked about

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what they saw happening did they talk

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about the reasons did they have ideas

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did it have anything to do with the

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advancement of the civilization and

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and the misuse of you know nuclear power

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or anything like that you know of yes I

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mean and there are surprising numbers of

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parallels in these sort of catastrophe

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and slip myths from around the world and

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in the undies

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many of these are associated with a

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person each called Mira culture yes and

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actually the the great alignment of all

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these sacred sites it was called by

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approving mathematicians in sort of

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rediscovered this the way of or the

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roots of with our culture and better

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culture is probably a combination of a

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number of different figures but he was

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regarded as recreate God by the Incas

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and the earliest civilizations and he

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according to some accounts anyway he

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arrived after a great flood that I spoke

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about really I mean this is from legend

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further north in the Andes and he

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rebuilt everything he taught people how

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to touch a farm and how to settle and

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how to measure things and he he said

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being the person who actually

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constructed - and Arco there's a very

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interesting account in one of the

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Spanish chroniclers a guy called Taylor

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and satiny and Ferdinand boa who spent a

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lot of time writing down all of these

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legends just after the Spanish conquered

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the Andes now it's easy it's is he's a

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guy that you wrote about that went to

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Mexico and faced the Inquisition and

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then ended up going back and facing the

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Inquisition again in Spain or in yeah

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he's the one who won an interesting

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character actually although his history

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of the Incas which is running vote which

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all these legends work on it is it was a

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piece of three outrageous propaganda to

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justify the Spanish conquest at Peru and

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Bolivia and parts in Norman Argentina he

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wasn't he wasn't really a member of the

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elite he was he

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the person had to live off his wits and

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he was also a pretty good scholar and

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investigator and he had a lot of time

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and respect for the indigenous peoples

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here particularly the Incas and he

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actually when he wrote down these

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legends and included them he made sure

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that they were true representations of

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the Andean traditions so when he's even

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he likes about viticulture as part of

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his history saying after this great

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flood he came along and he he created in

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ecards statues of all the different

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peoples who lived in this part of the

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world and he I think that's the

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representation one part of two menarche

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which is called the semi-subterranean

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temple and you can see all these carved

395
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faces or heads of all very different

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types of people who if this is linked in

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with this account of their culture does

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suggest that in this period which i

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think is at the end of the Ice Age there

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were lots of different types of people

401
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living in the Andes before the

402
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catastrophe hit and then a little later

403
00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:09,549
in this account but I thought sir tells

404
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his servants actually to go out after

405
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the flood subside and call the people

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back down from the mountains because

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they he's ordering them to rebuild what

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has been destroyed and he specifically

409
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says go down to the Great Sea in the

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south and call the people down from

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mountains and that's probably here in

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this part of Olivia which is further

413
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south because this was once at the end

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of the Ice Age all the way out at Arnhem

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and Olivia was a great sea it was

416
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covered in sea water basically and it's

417
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the lakes that are still here are the

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remnants of that Gracie and as and we

419
00:20:59,850 --> 00:20:57,730
recent archeological excavations in this

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00:21:03,270 --> 00:20:59,860
part of Olivia have shown that some the

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00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:03,280
first settlements during that very early

422
00:21:07,890 --> 00:21:05,410
actually in this part of the world on

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the sides of these salt lakes as they

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00:21:13,530 --> 00:21:10,960
started to recede and is a plate so

425
00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:13,540
there is odd things our truth in these

426
00:21:17,850 --> 00:21:15,100
ancient legends that seems to be

427
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:17,860
remarkably accurate the problem is that

428
00:21:22,290 --> 00:21:20,080
the academic scholars don't put these

429
00:21:24,690 --> 00:21:22,300
bits of information together so they'll

430
00:21:27,630 --> 00:21:24,700
just dismiss something like the Gamboa

431
00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:27,640
3-nil he's just a Spanish imperialist or

432
00:21:32,370 --> 00:21:29,800
whatever and not look at the fact that

433
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:32,380
he wrote down little gems of truth even

434
00:21:38,490 --> 00:21:34,210
though the overall work is probably very

435
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:38,500
much work at propaganda sure you know I

436
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:41,530
mean I find that in a lot of research

437
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:43,450
you know you kind of especially in

438
00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:45,610
things like you know in researching

439
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:47,980
Inquisition documents now you know

440
00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:49,840
you're reading it from the point of view

441
00:21:55,470 --> 00:21:52,600
of the inquisitors or of the Roman

442
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:55,480
Church you know but you can still sort

443
00:22:00,810 --> 00:21:58,210
of back into the information knowing

444
00:22:04,260 --> 00:22:00,820
what you know about the writer about the

445
00:22:06,270 --> 00:22:04,270
author of the material so III know what

446
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:06,280
you mean in the same with a lot of other

447
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,050
like religious writings and in you know

448
00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:13,600
things are like history and you can sort

449
00:22:19,260 --> 00:22:16,510
of know what their take on it is and

450
00:22:22,140 --> 00:22:19,270
then you can still pull little gems of

451
00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:22,150
facts out of the out of what they're

452
00:22:26,340 --> 00:22:25,630
saying so I know exactly exactly what

453
00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:26,350
you mean

454
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,350
now how was it that your focus became

455
00:22:38,250 --> 00:22:34,960
South America you know how is it that

456
00:22:39,810 --> 00:22:38,260
that was what grabbed you I know I read

457
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:39,820
you said you know when you were a kid

458
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:42,010
people always asked you what you wanted

459
00:22:45,660 --> 00:22:43,450
to be when you grew up and you said an

460
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archaeologist so you always had this

461
00:22:53,340 --> 00:22:50,410
interest in in the past but why why did

462
00:22:55,860 --> 00:22:53,350
you go in that direction well I mean I

463
00:22:57,690 --> 00:22:55,870
did say earlier I think about that the

464
00:22:59,580 --> 00:22:57,700
trigger was really reading that book by

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a gentleman oh that's right absolutely

466
00:23:05,730 --> 00:23:03,640
so that wasn't what was going on there

467
00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:05,740
was that I was I was responding to

468
00:23:11,370 --> 00:23:08,590
something I don't know it's hard to put

469
00:23:14,340 --> 00:23:11,380
your finger on it I feel like I was

470
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:14,350
called to go to monarch ooh and that was

471
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that was what gay

472
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:18,810
gave the push to do it but I've been

473
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doing there since 2004 nearly every year

474
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so it becomes like a pilgrimage for me

475
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:28,440
yeah and I can't really put my finger on

476
00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:32,490
why but that impetus should be there but

477
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:36,510
I was just drawn to the place and and

478
00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:38,850
then the more I started to learn by

479
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,820
doing research in various places the

480
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:44,400
more I started just bit of wider

481
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:46,170
perspectives and I'm sort of

482
00:23:51,050 --> 00:23:47,970
understanding the business about this

483
00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:51,060
great alignment and it just becomes more

484
00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:52,860
and more fascinating well I think

485
00:23:57,530 --> 00:23:55,320
ultimately it's it's a sort of spiritual

486
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:57,540
imperative really that I've picked up

487
00:24:01,460 --> 00:23:59,580
and I can't really put it in words

488
00:24:03,530 --> 00:24:01,470
although I've got a lot of words that I

489
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:03,540
can talk about various aspects of it I

490
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:08,610
don't think I understand I mean I you

491
00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:12,090
know if I do feel like we are kind of

492
00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:15,030
drawn to certain places and and there's

493
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:17,190
usually some reason for it either some

494
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:20,850
you know possible ancestral connection

495
00:24:26,930 --> 00:24:24,480
or cellular memory or you know could be

496
00:24:28,790 --> 00:24:26,940
as you said a spiritual connection it's

497
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,800
funny that you said the first time you

498
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,200
went was in 2004 and you've been going

499
00:24:36,410 --> 00:24:33,360
back nearly every year ever since and

500
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:36,420
that's sort of been exactly my story was

501
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:38,250
going to southwest France because that

502
00:24:45,290 --> 00:24:40,710
was the first time I went was in August

503
00:24:48,290 --> 00:24:45,300
of 2004 and I had always felt drawn to

504
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:48,300
that area and continued to be you know

505
00:24:52,910 --> 00:24:50,490
it's like any time I get a chance to

506
00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:52,920
travel I had there you know I never go

507
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,270
anywhere else and I'll pop you know

508
00:24:58,580 --> 00:24:56,640
probably never good to see the rest of

509
00:25:02,990 --> 00:24:58,590
the world because I can't stay away I

510
00:25:06,410 --> 00:25:03,000
keep going back so I get that it's

511
00:25:08,650 --> 00:25:06,420
really interesting so now I had a period

512
00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:08,660
a big film that died away

513
00:25:16,460 --> 00:25:13,590
Brown House 1919 late 90s early 2000 so

514
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:16,470
I went to Kazan various places very

515
00:25:26,660 --> 00:25:24,000
sheltered yep absolutely there's a

516
00:25:30,169 --> 00:25:26,670
couple people in the chat room who are

517
00:25:33,019 --> 00:25:30,179
some of my fellow travelers in fact one

518
00:25:38,499 --> 00:25:33,029
I actually ended up moving there and

519
00:25:48,139 --> 00:25:38,509
she's now living in Peru near other I

520
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,149
guess more a and yeah so but yes that's

521
00:25:51,889 --> 00:25:49,679
where we go is the you know Ren Li

522
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,899
Chateau run lab an area a carcass on

523
00:25:58,249 --> 00:25:54,240
that they're reaching the languid art

524
00:26:01,930 --> 00:25:58,259
and just can't seem to stay away but you

525
00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:01,940
know and I'm suspecting that these

526
00:26:08,619 --> 00:26:05,460
geomantic aspect of your research is

527
00:26:13,249 --> 00:26:08,629
sort of where you might have crossed

528
00:26:16,369 --> 00:26:13,259
crossed over cross lines with Courtland

529
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,379
Allah in his word absolutely absolutely

530
00:26:22,489 --> 00:26:18,720
and I mean it's this whole business

531
00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:22,499
about the alignments tree because I mean

532
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,230
courts much more adept and I am at using

533
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:28,080
Google Earth with these things it was it

534
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:29,970
was my contact with him and sort of

535
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:31,740
listening to what he had to say about

536
00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:34,440
his own research they've got my wine

537
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:37,230
working on this and also being able to

538
00:26:42,919 --> 00:26:39,480
use Google Earth is what was interesting

539
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:42,929
and I mentioned that this alignment was

540
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:45,720
first rediscovered in modern times and

541
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:48,960
seventies by a Peruvian mathematician

542
00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:51,840
her name is marina shortened deadness

543
00:26:57,980 --> 00:26:55,590
and she actually discovered the

544
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:57,990
alignment running from T linarcos right

545
00:27:04,879 --> 00:27:00,480
up into the north through place called

546
00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:04,889
Casa marking are we talking about the

547
00:27:08,389 --> 00:27:06,200
Nazca lines

548
00:27:11,899 --> 00:27:08,399
no no no no no you're talking about

549
00:27:15,379 --> 00:27:11,909
aligned alignments between locations yes

550
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:15,389
I mean basically think of it in terms of

551
00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:17,850
the end of the Andes it's the world's

552
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:21,179
longest mountain range obviously it runs

553
00:27:26,869 --> 00:27:24,090
up north through Central American and

554
00:27:28,879 --> 00:27:26,879
comes to the Rockies yeah in South

555
00:27:33,169 --> 00:27:28,889
America what's very interesting about

556
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:33,179
the Andes is that the very southern part

557
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:36,450
of them runs almost directly north-south

558
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:38,460
and so he gets up to about the 18th

559
00:27:44,550 --> 00:27:41,490
parallel but she's just about where I am

560
00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:44,560
in Bolivia and then suddenly the line

561
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:46,990
the alignment of the Andes turns

562
00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:51,030
directly Northwest 45 degrees so it runs

563
00:27:58,890 --> 00:27:55,150
northwest southeast 45 degrees and that

564
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:58,900
is also the angle of this alignment two

565
00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:01,840
sacred sites that run down the spine of

566
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:04,630
the Andes from north through actually

567
00:28:09,330 --> 00:28:07,210
probably just a pass that on to the

568
00:28:11,790 --> 00:28:09,340
coast right the way down to where I am

569
00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:11,800
now and down to the site that I

570
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:14,230
mentioned a little earlier inca pacaya

571
00:28:22,050 --> 00:28:17,970
which is just south east is here and

572
00:28:24,810 --> 00:28:22,060
that was a relationship between the

573
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:24,820
actual land itself in the mountain range

574
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:26,650
and the orientation and the geometry

575
00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:30,130
inside that mountain range and the

576
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:32,950
sacred sites that line it in it and

577
00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:34,690
those sacred sites have been built in

578
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,510
specific places now courts work was

579
00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:40,240
interesting to me because and of course

580
00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:42,790
with Google Earth you can you can

581
00:28:49,790 --> 00:28:45,940
actually make alignments that take into

582
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:49,800
account the Earth's curvature yeah and

583
00:28:54,450 --> 00:28:52,450
several researchers after Mary issuance

584
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:54,460
and deadness I tried to extend this

585
00:29:00,050 --> 00:28:56,710
alignment and they taking it to various

586
00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:00,060
different places but they won't connect

587
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:02,470
once you looked at it in terms of return

588
00:29:06,780 --> 00:29:04,570
that you of the earth and what I

589
00:29:09,420 --> 00:29:06,790
discover it wants to picked up some call

590
00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:09,430
had to have to do this really was that

591
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:12,220
Iran actually comes through I am now a

592
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:15,730
ruler and goes on to interpret era and I

593
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:17,980
didn't know about interpret car just

594
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:20,710
southeast of here and until I was

595
00:29:26,970 --> 00:29:22,450
actually traveling up into Peru from

596
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:26,980
Argentina in 2013 I knew that the

597
00:29:32,610 --> 00:29:29,770
alignment went across this would skill

598
00:29:34,650 --> 00:29:32,620
Hill somewhere in the article and I

599
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:34,660
thought also what I didn't know it as a

600
00:29:40,170 --> 00:29:37,090
sacred site remember think it was only

601
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:40,180
when I decided spend a night in Aurora

602
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:42,490
before I was trying to go up to the

603
00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:45,070
Capitol in my powers but I stayed in

604
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:48,940
place where I am now and discovered to

605
00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:51,250
this place that was on the alignment on

606
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:53,320
Google Earth was actually a sacred site

607
00:30:16,930 --> 00:29:54,050
the

608
00:30:19,330 --> 00:30:16,940
sort of synchronicity that happened to

609
00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:19,340
me so I just happened to come to a place

610
00:30:25,210 --> 00:30:22,700
where as people knew all about somewhere

611
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,220
i mighta lies a nondescript Hill on a

612
00:30:31,810 --> 00:30:27,440
map which was actually which is actually

613
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:31,820
the ancient sacred place that reference

614
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:35,330
here wow that's really that's amazing

615
00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:39,410
you know what they do I completely

616
00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:42,200
believe in that you know one of the

617
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:45,020
people in the chatroom mentioned the

618
00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:48,770
synchronicity today of me posting that

619
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,870
picture that we just spoke about

620
00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:52,640
she said that's right by my new house

621
00:30:59,790 --> 00:30:56,270
that's really exactly on the same

622
00:31:03,070 --> 00:30:59,800
alignment if you Joe if you draw a line

623
00:31:05,770 --> 00:31:03,080
directly 45 degrees northwest where I'm

624
00:31:12,010 --> 00:31:05,780
sitting now you would come to that place

625
00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:12,020
my thousands miles away wow that's

626
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:12,380
amazing

627
00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:13,850
you know what I have to take a quick

628
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:16,550
break and when we come back more with

629
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:18,770
Dave Truman and more secrets from the

630
00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:24,170
Andes please stay with us welcome back

631
00:31:26,590 --> 00:31:24,920
to night vision

632
00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:26,600
I'm your host Renee Barnett if you're

633
00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:28,460
just joining us we're talking with Dave

634
00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:31,670
Truman he's in Bolivia right now doing

635
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:33,590
some more work doing some research and

636
00:31:39,550 --> 00:31:36,310
some writing and exploring down there

637
00:31:44,410 --> 00:31:39,560
and he's revealing some of the ancient

638
00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:44,420
secrets of the Andes some fascinating

639
00:31:48,580 --> 00:31:45,950
fascinating information that we're

640
00:31:57,330 --> 00:31:48,590
getting here about alignments geomantic

641
00:32:00,150 --> 00:31:57,340
alignments of certain locations Republic

642
00:32:02,370 --> 00:32:00,160
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643
00:32:05,250 --> 00:32:02,380
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644
00:32:07,950 --> 00:32:05,260
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645
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:07,960
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646
00:32:12,660 --> 00:32:09,850
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647
00:32:13,790 --> 00:32:12,670
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648
00:32:16,260 --> 00:32:13,800
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649
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:16,270
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650
00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:18,280
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651
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,740
factory store or shop us online dave has

652
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:24,880
been doing a little bit of work with

653
00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:26,410
court Lindell on some of these

654
00:32:31,230 --> 00:32:29,260
alignments a lot of you guys know Court

655
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:31,240
from this show and from his work that

656
00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:34,380
you've seen on the internet and now

657
00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:37,750
we're talking about the this site and in

658
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:40,300
sort of a you you were talking about how

659
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:43,150
you had you know these coincidences keep

660
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:48,730
coming up now can you talk a little bit

661
00:32:53,910 --> 00:32:52,030
more about that and also about you know

662
00:32:55,170 --> 00:32:53,920
I mentioned to you on the break a couple

663
00:32:57,090 --> 00:32:55,180
things I wanted to bring up that just

664
00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:57,100
sounded fascinating but I think there's

665
00:33:02,730 --> 00:32:59,050
some connections that you wanted to make

666
00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:02,740
before we do that yes I mean you know

667
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,870
spoke about what because of meeting

668
00:33:08,730 --> 00:33:06,880
people here knew about this this hill

669
00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:08,740
that I'd seen on the map and thought

670
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:10,750
nothing else until I learnt it was an

671
00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:12,610
ancient sacred site there was another

672
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:15,460
thing that happened to me towards the

673
00:33:20,130 --> 00:33:17,650
end of the 2012 actually it was December

674
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:20,140
I was going on one right almost annual

675
00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:24,120
trips up to two and arkad and it was

676
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:27,160
pretty horrible day actually storms here

677
00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:29,650
and nasty and I was wandering on the

678
00:33:34,350 --> 00:33:32,350
site sort of lighting things and

679
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:34,360
observing stuff and taking notes and

680
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:36,970
things and a bunch into these two Center

681
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:40,530
guys there they were carrying a compass

682
00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:47,110
and we got chatting and they're saying

683
00:33:54,150 --> 00:33:49,300
oh yeah we're interested in the magnetic

684
00:33:56,550 --> 00:33:54,160
fields around here and things like we

685
00:33:58,620 --> 00:33:56,560
went off to the site next through to and

686
00:34:01,140 --> 00:33:58,630
oculus some people who died it was the

687
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:01,150
same place is called puma punku-- which

688
00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:03,610
in the Aymara language means the the

689
00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:07,870
gateway of the Puma and anyway this was

690
00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:12,280
going out and we noticed when he one of

691
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,140
the guys held this compass next to a

692
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:16,960
particular block of grey and a site

693
00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:20,170
which is marked with two ambien crosses

694
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:22,540
which is little I think alarm courses

695
00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:26,500
and that the orientation of the compass

696
00:34:32,430 --> 00:34:29,350
shifted from magnetic north to 45

697
00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:32,440
degrees magnetic north west now that's a

698
00:34:37,830 --> 00:34:35,500
bit of strangely yeah that's exactly the

699
00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:37,840
alignment that you know I've plotted on

700
00:34:43,350 --> 00:34:40,300
that on Google Earth I thought no that's

701
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:43,360
interesting anyway they said they had to

702
00:34:50,390 --> 00:34:48,070
dash off to go back to Peru and weirdly

703
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:50,400
enough there were none of them anyways

704
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:52,930
some sort of an aeronautical engineer

705
00:34:59,130 --> 00:34:55,810
some sort I never saw them again for the

706
00:35:02,400 --> 00:34:59,140
next year I went back for my own compass

707
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:02,410
and I decided to check it wasn't just

708
00:35:06,570 --> 00:35:04,780
some kind of fluke so I went to puma

709
00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:06,580
punku-- went up to a lot of the stones

710
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,080
with this Chicana

711
00:35:13,890 --> 00:35:10,320
relief carving on it and lo and behold

712
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:13,900
them to come first bent to 45 degrees

713
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:16,930
magnetic north west was interesting so

714
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:20,670
iron started looking at other pieces

715
00:35:27,210 --> 00:35:23,470
under sonic grandis like which is what i

716
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,220
want to binoculars built wrong mark it's

717
00:35:31,770 --> 00:35:28,960
a calmness and I found this or a stone

718
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:31,780
in another part of the complex called

719
00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:35,680
the concept and Lita and this particular

720
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:39,550
stone seemed to have even more powerful

721
00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:42,490
properties for bending the orientation

722
00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:46,660
and magnetic field and I'm that's a very

723
00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:48,940
long story short I found that actually

724
00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:52,030
the compass didn't just bent 45 north

725
00:35:57,060 --> 00:35:54,700
west at this place sometimes it went all

726
00:35:59,160 --> 00:35:57,070
the way around bent to point towards

727
00:36:01,980 --> 00:35:59,170
magnetic south and a hundred eighty

728
00:36:04,410 --> 00:36:01,990
degrees south magnetic north all the

729
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:04,420
times it would be at ninety degrees and

730
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:07,870
other times it'd be you know magnetic

731
00:36:12,540 --> 00:36:10,050
south east as well

732
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,550
there was a distortion in the magnetic

733
00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:15,280
field get varied according to these

734
00:36:19,180 --> 00:36:17,230
circumstances that were going on at the

735
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:19,190
time for example this is a store

736
00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:21,170
coming in and you get many storms that

737
00:36:26,740 --> 00:36:23,240
are almost like tornadoes falling on the

738
00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:26,750
article on the the energy levels would

739
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:29,270
rise and the distortion in the madness

740
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:32,630
what would rise with it yeah and at one

741
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,210
point he even got to the point where and

742
00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:38,240
the the compass needle started spinning

743
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,369
anti-clockwise direction hahaha and so

744
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:45,440
but what's odd about it is that the

745
00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:47,410
changes in the magnetic field are not

746
00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:50,180
arbitrary they're all they're always in

747
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:53,180
incidence of 45 degrees going around the

748
00:37:00,190 --> 00:36:57,650
compass now I think because the people

749
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:00,200
who built these sites along this great

750
00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:02,210
alignment and certainly it's even larger

751
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:05,630
they understood things like the telluric

752
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:08,569
currents in the earth and they need them

753
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,510
to create certain effects and you see

754
00:37:21,609 --> 00:37:16,400
similar things going on at other sites

755
00:37:24,190 --> 00:37:21,619
as well and a little further along the

756
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:24,200
side of Lake Titicaca there's a place

757
00:37:30,730 --> 00:37:28,130
called tomorrow yeah and I sometimes

758
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:30,740
take pictures using something called a

759
00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:34,010
normal field filter which is just like

760
00:37:38,980 --> 00:37:36,260
an old-fashioned 35 millimeter slide

761
00:37:45,490 --> 00:37:38,990
filter it's got some kind of sort of

762
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:45,500
laminated plastic in the salsa but

763
00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:49,030
according to and we all feel too

764
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:52,220
developed it is capable of detecting

765
00:37:58,329 --> 00:37:56,480
subtle energies when you want to call it

766
00:38:01,660 --> 00:37:58,339
the youth or whatever but a particular

767
00:38:03,370 --> 00:38:01,670
site he thinks that it can pick up

768
00:38:06,309 --> 00:38:03,380
things like subtle energy so that may

769
00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:06,319
focus around sites and this place

770
00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:09,950
tomorrow movies is a summer side of Lake

771
00:38:15,309 --> 00:38:12,260
Titicaca is just on the Peruvian side of

772
00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:15,319
the border and it's about I don't know

773
00:38:19,210 --> 00:38:17,030
now it's about probably about a mile

774
00:38:20,890 --> 00:38:19,220
from the actual shore of Titicaca

775
00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:20,900
because the water levels have gone down

776
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,400
over the years and I I went there one

777
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:27,440
day it's basically in this place called

778
00:38:32,220 --> 00:38:29,990
the forest of stones Oscar de la

779
00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:32,230
spiritus which is a really

780
00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:34,030
sort of place it's all sandstone

781
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:36,520
outcrops and they're sticking up out of

782
00:38:42,930 --> 00:38:39,010
the sides of hills and the wind and the

783
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:42,940
weather of the millennia as as warm the

784
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:44,710
Sunstone down into all these strange

785
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,770
shapes but there's this one piece of

786
00:38:52,349 --> 00:38:50,320
sandstone that stands there and it's got

787
00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:52,359
it's definitely not this what looks like

788
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:54,470
is huge

789
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:05,010
yep sorry baby sorry okay um it's got

790
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:07,690
this huge door cutting to it about 20

791
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:11,650
feet tall a bit broader and then within

792
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:14,170
that there's a small niche and when I

793
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:15,690
went there

794
00:39:20,849 --> 00:39:18,670
it's another acre ancient sacred site

795
00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:20,859
and it's it's another Punk another

796
00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:23,140
doorway useful know the dimension just

797
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:29,020
like zoom I think especially and there

798
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:31,930
was a ceremony taking place there are

799
00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:34,090
actually lots of people from I think the

800
00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:37,030
states and bitten and things that were

801
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:40,180
actually there was a shame and so I was

802
00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:42,190
just taking a few pictures and I thought

803
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:45,580
it'd be fun to take some filter to see

804
00:39:54,030 --> 00:39:48,730
if the ceremony might have had an effect

805
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,040
on on the ambience around around this

806
00:40:00,090 --> 00:39:56,560
place which is reckoned spirit portal

807
00:40:01,830 --> 00:40:00,100
and I thought this one amazing picture

808
00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:01,840
come out of it which shows this sort of

809
00:40:07,770 --> 00:40:05,380
Rotex a rainbow called vortex around the

810
00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:07,780
doorway and there's no way that this is

811
00:40:12,450 --> 00:40:09,720
just some trick of the light from the

812
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,460
use of the filter which is a sort of

813
00:40:16,740 --> 00:40:14,560
laminate like I said because it's a

814
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:16,750
curve of light the different colored

815
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:18,730
lights and you can see but some things

816
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,760
actually as part of this vortex is

817
00:40:26,070 --> 00:40:23,440
actually hitting the doorway and

818
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:26,080
bouncing out you can see it's the energy

819
00:40:32,570 --> 00:40:29,920
really bouncing out I found similar

820
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:32,580
experiences at other places and somehow

821
00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:35,050
whatever's going on at least I see seems

822
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:37,030
to interact with human consciousness

823
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,390
there there's another place in the north

824
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:43,119
through called chairing the one sad

825
00:40:47,459 --> 00:40:44,729
and I was there in February this year

826
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:47,469
yeah it was another horrible day and

827
00:40:51,299 --> 00:40:48,910
there's nobody there at all apart from

828
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,309
this group of people but there was a guy

829
00:40:55,859 --> 00:40:53,200
known as a shame and he was in the

830
00:41:00,089 --> 00:40:55,869
underground part of of this complex it's

831
00:41:02,459 --> 00:41:00,099
a very unusual place and he was doing

832
00:41:05,099 --> 00:41:02,469
some kind of ceremony and I was just

833
00:41:06,749 --> 00:41:05,109
about to go and I thought all going take

834
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:06,759
a photograph is one of the most famous

835
00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:11,200
teachers in this site which is a called

836
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:14,380
a tenon head it's actually a head it's

837
00:41:20,430 --> 00:41:16,890
half finger and half human that's

838
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:20,440
inserted into the wall and hanging in a

839
00:41:23,549 --> 00:41:21,849
group of other people who happened to be

840
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:23,559
there and they were doing some kind of

841
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:26,099
ceremony in front of this tenon head and

842
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:29,650
after after it all finished I took a

843
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:34,210
snap of this head in the wall which

844
00:41:38,910 --> 00:41:37,089
looks like half human half capacity and

845
00:41:41,729 --> 00:41:38,920
you can see this burst of energy coming

846
00:41:46,109 --> 00:41:41,739
out of the nose with this figure in the

847
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,119
bright rainbow color and if if I take a

848
00:41:50,339 --> 00:41:49,119
picture before some ceremony takes place

849
00:41:53,549 --> 00:41:50,349
you don't get that the same

850
00:41:56,279 --> 00:41:53,559
concentration of energy there that's why

851
00:42:00,089 --> 00:41:56,289
now we probably should mention that your

852
00:42:02,969 --> 00:42:00,099
website is called lost science of the

853
00:42:06,739 --> 00:42:02,979
Andes calm and I know I did see those

854
00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:06,749
amazing pictures of that doorway and

855
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:09,880
amaru muru and and I don't know if the

856
00:42:14,459 --> 00:42:12,880
one you just described us on there but

857
00:42:16,589 --> 00:42:14,469
they're certainly on the heaven of the

858
00:42:20,009 --> 00:42:16,599
website if you go to the website

859
00:42:24,809 --> 00:42:20,019
oh I see the very top yeah yeah oh my

860
00:42:27,959 --> 00:42:24,819
gosh that's a real picture yeah yeah

861
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:27,969
that's how I snapped it and I was so

862
00:42:31,229 --> 00:42:29,920
amazed I just sort of looked at it in

863
00:42:33,089 --> 00:42:31,239
the monitor of the camera and I was

864
00:42:35,309 --> 00:42:33,099
going what because I had one of these

865
00:42:39,089 --> 00:42:35,319
really horrible days you know when you

866
00:42:40,499 --> 00:42:39,099
go sort of being investigations and you

867
00:42:41,999 --> 00:42:40,509
draw blanks everywhere and I was

868
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:42,009
actually trying to find something else

869
00:42:46,709 --> 00:42:44,920
and I'd been having a couple of times

870
00:42:49,529 --> 00:42:46,719
before I'll just pop in there I might as

871
00:42:52,589 --> 00:42:49,539
well make use of the day and I was

872
00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:52,599
soaking wet and and I saw this picture

873
00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:54,460
that I'd just taken and I look around

874
00:42:58,170 --> 00:42:56,200
and the people have been the

875
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:58,180
ceremony don't disappeared of his living

876
00:43:03,230 --> 00:43:01,359
after those things just a kid I never

877
00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:03,240
saw them again it was really strange

878
00:43:08,789 --> 00:43:06,430
that is amazing I mean did the colors

879
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:08,799
when you were looking at them appeared

880
00:43:23,059 --> 00:43:17,650
that vibrant yes yes these are vibrant

881
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:23,069
colors these are red purple yes amazing

882
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,049
I'm not entirely sure how it works I

883
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:28,240
mean there's not that much on Harry

884
00:43:34,289 --> 00:43:30,970
Oldfield's website of I would say but I

885
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:34,299
mean he's he's done what's working in

886
00:43:39,180 --> 00:43:36,910
his part of the Dragon project many

887
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:39,190
years ago so he went underwater busy

888
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:41,950
sacred sites and he had commitment he

889
00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:43,450
developed that sort of Kirlian

890
00:43:47,789 --> 00:43:46,030
photography methods a lot more and he's

891
00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:47,799
got a lot more sophisticated stuff now

892
00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:51,640
with this tip system and so on but he

893
00:43:57,900 --> 00:43:55,420
says you know it's linked in with output

894
00:43:59,940 --> 00:43:57,910
and I've not really got much information

895
00:44:01,410 --> 00:43:59,950
from him specifically on how it works

896
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:01,420
all I can say is that I was very

897
00:44:06,569 --> 00:44:04,750
skeptical about using this filter even

898
00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:06,579
when I started using it and I've gone

899
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:09,160
back now to look at photographs that

900
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:12,970
I've taken and I'm amazed I mean he

901
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:16,240
probably aware that really famous

902
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:19,690
picture though that was taken in Mexico

903
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:22,690
few years ago where the the guy I

904
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:25,569
suppose you got a column of light coming

905
00:44:34,170 --> 00:44:31,599
out of the El Castillo pyramid there and

906
00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:34,180
you know it's just from the platform of

907
00:44:39,180 --> 00:44:36,040
the pyramid and it was a storm was

908
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:39,190
approaching or something in North he

909
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:40,420
didn't have one of these self tanners

910
00:44:44,970 --> 00:44:44,079
blissfully enough when I was here in in

911
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:44,980
critical Clara

912
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:47,890
couple years ago I was I was just going

913
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:51,730
to climb up the side of the platypus

914
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:54,490
acres site and the storm came in I

915
00:44:59,370 --> 00:44:56,890
thought I better not because I was on

916
00:45:02,130 --> 00:44:59,380
the mound and if it's waters falling

917
00:45:03,660 --> 00:45:02,140
like he performs sweat and everything so

918
00:45:07,289 --> 00:45:03,670
I just decided to take some photographs

919
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,299
of the storm as it hit they hit the

920
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,760
Clara and I

921
00:45:13,290 --> 00:45:11,680
if using the filter I've got two

922
00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:13,300
different pictures showing this column

923
00:45:17,849 --> 00:45:15,640
of energy coming from the storm down

924
00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:17,859
into the top of the Walker and I thought

925
00:45:21,630 --> 00:45:19,420
ice probably just a check of her life

926
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:21,640
again but I studied and studied and

927
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:24,310
studied to photo extractions corner

928
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:25,930
light and I took them from different

929
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:28,570
angles and yet the column comes down to

930
00:45:34,770 --> 00:45:31,930
the same place on the on the top of this

931
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,780
great sacred site of interpret Karla

932
00:45:38,190 --> 00:45:37,119
it's absolutely amazing once you start

933
00:45:41,730 --> 00:45:38,200
looking at this stuff

934
00:45:45,390 --> 00:45:41,740
we were known for mind wow that's

935
00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:45,400
amazing now yeah I've seen that pyramid

936
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:46,900
but I don't believe I've seen that

937
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:50,290
picture I would love to see it I'm gonna

938
00:45:57,450 --> 00:45:52,090
have to look to see if I can see it on

939
00:46:00,690 --> 00:45:57,460
me on the internet somewhere but now

940
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:00,700
that's in me oh yes okay I just found it

941
00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:06,310
and that is amazing yes that is wild

942
00:46:10,650 --> 00:46:07,960
I'm going to put that in the chat room

943
00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:10,660
people if you're listening you should go

944
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:14,070
to iron and chat calm and you can see

945
00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:16,930
what we're talking about these columns

946
00:46:26,070 --> 00:46:19,840
of light you know you mentioned tell

947
00:46:27,450 --> 00:46:26,080
uric energy before and and you also

948
00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:27,460
mentioned you know that you had been

949
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:29,020
spent some time around you know

950
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:32,850
rennes-le-chateau in the area and when

951
00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:36,670
we were there you know I I don't know if

952
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,200
court told you but my background is in

953
00:46:42,859 --> 00:46:41,200
television and film and we were doing a

954
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:42,869
documentary

955
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:46,980
you know based largely in that area and

956
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:48,850
you know of course there's all the

957
00:46:54,570 --> 00:46:52,170
legends of treasures and you know buried

958
00:46:57,599 --> 00:46:54,580
patriarchs in the area all kinds of

959
00:47:00,780 --> 00:46:57,609
things and the the old mayor the former

960
00:47:03,390 --> 00:47:00,790
mayor of rennes-le-chateau told us at

961
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:03,400
the time he said you know the real

962
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:05,770
secret to rimless Chateau is not you

963
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:09,970
know gold or even documents it's the

964
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:12,450
tell you recurrence the telluric energy

965
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:16,450
and we were at that time I didn't really

966
00:47:21,580 --> 00:47:19,030
know much about that and we just thought

967
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:21,590
when or what he means by that

968
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:24,170
and but later on you know sort of came

969
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:26,810
to know and there actually is you know

970
00:47:33,790 --> 00:47:30,250
an energy to that place you know there

971
00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:33,800
there are energies I should say and you

972
00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:35,420
certainly can feel them and sometimes

973
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:37,160
particularly in the village of

974
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:39,650
rennes-le-chateau the energy can shift

975
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:41,570
or change you know you'll go there one

976
00:47:47,410 --> 00:47:44,210
day and it feels a very different way

977
00:47:51,370 --> 00:47:47,420
than it might have the day before or the

978
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:51,380
last time you were there so I do believe

979
00:47:58,180 --> 00:47:55,930
that you know some of these things that

980
00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:58,190
particularly critics might be

981
00:48:03,940 --> 00:48:00,560
criticizing in terms of oh this is just

982
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:03,950
New Age hocus-pocus talk now I think

983
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:08,570
there's a very very scientific base for

984
00:48:14,830 --> 00:48:11,330
this and certainly you know we are

985
00:48:19,450 --> 00:48:14,840
electrical beings so why wouldn't there

986
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,460
be some interaction between the you know

987
00:48:26,110 --> 00:48:21,920
electrical electrical energy of the

988
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:26,120
earth and our electrical energy so you

989
00:48:30,310 --> 00:48:27,770
were saying it seemed that you know the

990
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:30,320
people had an effect you know on the

991
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:32,330
sites it does probably an exchange of

992
00:48:37,150 --> 00:48:34,390
energy going on there I would think and

993
00:48:40,330 --> 00:48:37,160
that doesn't have to be silly or

994
00:48:43,060 --> 00:48:40,340
hocus-pocus they can be just scientific

995
00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:43,070
fact oh it is hard to say that so I'm

996
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:45,590
just constantly certain unless he's read

997
00:48:51,790 --> 00:48:48,890
any of the books by the late John Burke

998
00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:51,800
I mean he studied this in a lot of death

999
00:48:58,900 --> 00:48:53,900
he went to Penn he actually went to

1000
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,910
Tiahuanaco to look at the telluric

1001
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:01,040
currents there and where they interacted

1002
00:49:04,450 --> 00:49:02,330
with the site he also went to challenge

1003
00:49:07,930 --> 00:49:04,460
I want ah well I said you know I saw

1004
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:07,940
that so strange emanations and when

1005
00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:10,490
those of this feline human on the wall

1006
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:14,860
or the statue and he conducted you know

1007
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:18,310
experiments into a seed germination and

1008
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:22,970
by placings sample seeds inside for

1009
00:49:27,790 --> 00:49:24,890
example in act upon attuned it's human

1010
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:27,800
aku when a storm approached and having a

1011
00:49:32,770 --> 00:49:30,650
and having a control sample of seeds and

1012
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:32,780
then growing the two sets of seeds after

1013
00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:34,010
what

1014
00:49:39,550 --> 00:49:37,190
and finding that the ones that didn't

1015
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:39,560
cheated if you like inside the pyramid

1016
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:41,510
and when the electrical storm was coming

1017
00:49:46,930 --> 00:49:44,090
in grew much stronger and you have these

1018
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:46,940
huge you know crops in relation to the

1019
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,970
ones that weren't and but I I actually

1020
00:49:54,940 --> 00:49:51,440
think this place has had multiple

1021
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,950
functions I think the word there's a

1022
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,960
sense in which these fluctuating

1023
00:50:01,840 --> 00:49:58,880
magnetic fields affect human

1024
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:01,850
consciousness and I think that sites

1025
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:06,710
like chatting upon tar-21 are cool and

1026
00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:10,010
exotic are down here in Bolivia were

1027
00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:14,540
engineered in ways to to affect human

1028
00:50:19,060 --> 00:50:16,670
consciousness and spring about if you

1029
00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:19,070
like altered states of consciousness how

1030
00:50:24,510 --> 00:50:22,430
to body experiences what we might call

1031
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:24,520
today remote viewing

1032
00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:27,170
one of the great strange things that

1033
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:29,270
I've always found so fascinating if you

1034
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:31,010
look at this on a global scale and we've

1035
00:50:36,370 --> 00:50:32,510
been talking that was great alignment

1036
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:36,380
but lots and researchers have noticed

1037
00:50:46,030 --> 00:50:42,850
coordinate creator of the earth just

1038
00:50:51,010 --> 00:50:46,040
like we have today I mean the prime

1039
00:50:53,470 --> 00:50:51,020
meridian went through gazer yeah if he

1040
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,480
legend is just by conch and so on and

1041
00:50:58,750 --> 00:50:56,240
it's no point in something but when how

1042
00:51:01,060 --> 00:50:58,760
puts off the Russell Targ doing their

1043
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:01,070
experience in surah now fearing in the

1044
00:51:09,130 --> 00:51:03,610
seventies at Stanford Research Institute

1045
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:09,140
what did they use as a means of target

1046
00:51:16,090 --> 00:51:12,860
creating targets for their subjects they

1047
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:16,100
use grid coordinates there to go that's

1048
00:51:19,090 --> 00:51:17,510
true that's true

1049
00:51:22,510 --> 00:51:19,100
though these coordinates you go to this

1050
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:22,520
place and I think that actually that was

1051
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:24,410
a revival of something that was very

1052
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:26,330
ancient though it was to do with the

1053
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:28,430
ancient grid system which is almost

1054
00:51:33,070 --> 00:51:30,290
identical to the modern war except

1055
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:33,080
primary imaging goes through grants and

1056
00:51:38,110 --> 00:51:36,530
keys and not Greenwich I mean it's very

1057
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:38,120
old because from what I've read about

1058
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,090
that work and it was yes it was

1059
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:46,400
that the guy who Luther used as the

1060
00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:48,590
first subject in the artist his name

1061
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:52,190
eludes me no Ingo Swan with Ingo Swann

1062
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:53,870
exactly yeah he was the one who

1063
00:51:56,860 --> 00:51:55,970
suggested to them that they use grid

1064
00:51:59,220 --> 00:51:56,870
coordinates

1065
00:52:01,570 --> 00:51:59,230
it wasn't targeting and improved up

1066
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:01,580
because he had some kind of practical

1067
00:52:06,490 --> 00:52:04,910
insight and practical knowledge of what

1068
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:06,500
was going on maybe it was some fun and

1069
00:52:10,270 --> 00:52:08,090
remote memory that he had from some

1070
00:52:12,610 --> 00:52:10,280
songs of shamanistic past I wouldn't

1071
00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:12,620
know but it's curious that he was also

1072
00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:14,150
the person who suggested to them that

1073
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:17,560
they call it yes

1074
00:52:25,450 --> 00:52:21,370
Ingo Swann wasn't an absolutely amazing

1075
00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:25,460
genius of a person and I did have the

1076
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:27,020
opportunity to speak with him on a few

1077
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:29,930
occasions which I'm fortunate for now

1078
00:52:36,460 --> 00:52:33,680
since he's left this plane but we've

1079
00:52:38,260 --> 00:52:36,470
just recently talked about him on the

1080
00:52:41,350 --> 00:52:38,270
last couple of shows which is very

1081
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:41,360
strange here we go again because we had

1082
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:44,410
on Lynn Buchanan who was one of the

1083
00:52:51,550 --> 00:52:46,970
remote viewers who of course was trained

1084
00:52:53,860 --> 00:52:51,560
by how put off and Ingo Swann and who

1085
00:52:55,870 --> 00:52:53,870
came up with the protocols for the you

1086
00:52:59,200 --> 00:52:55,880
know US military's remote viewing

1087
00:53:01,060 --> 00:52:59,210
program yeah so Ingo keeps popping up

1088
00:53:05,050 --> 00:53:01,070
I'm going to have to you know an

1089
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:05,060
interesting note on that is that another

1090
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:08,960
sort of passion of Ingo Swann was Marian

1091
00:53:15,970 --> 00:53:13,010
apparitions and he actually wrote a book

1092
00:53:18,730 --> 00:53:15,980
you can check it out I think that book

1093
00:53:22,540 --> 00:53:18,740
came out in about 1996 or something like

1094
00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:22,550
that or about various Marian sightings

1095
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:26,870
around the world and which I thought was

1096
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:28,970
kind of interesting considering his

1097
00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:30,530
background what he was doing and then

1098
00:53:36,580 --> 00:53:32,630
and then he was also as you said he was

1099
00:53:38,830 --> 00:53:36,590
an artist so he had quite a quite a

1100
00:53:42,250 --> 00:53:38,840
varied background but they they all

1101
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,260
seemed to sort of feed each other the

1102
00:53:46,060 --> 00:53:44,240
artistic side you know the sort of

1103
00:53:49,090 --> 00:53:46,070
spiritual side and of course the

1104
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:49,100
scientific side they and I think that

1105
00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:52,250
maybe the answer to a lot of these you

1106
00:53:57,890 --> 00:53:54,980
know big questions about our past I

1107
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:57,900
think there is a combination there

1108
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:00,660
and I think people tend to lean one side

1109
00:54:05,180 --> 00:54:03,210
or the other you they go the left brain

1110
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:05,190
or the right brain but I think there is

1111
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:11,280
a you know a sort of synchronization of

1112
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:13,650
the hemispheres you know of the brain

1113
00:54:21,620 --> 00:54:19,260
that probably we used to enjoy at a time

1114
00:54:24,050 --> 00:54:21,630
in maybe these people these ancients

1115
00:54:26,810 --> 00:54:24,060
maybe they were more adept at that or

1116
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:26,820
maybe they hadn't had that kind of

1117
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:29,460
separation of the hemispheres of the

1118
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:32,010
brain which allowed them to integrate

1119
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:35,310
science and spirit I don't know I know I

1120
00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:38,970
I think you're right I mean I think it

1121
00:54:43,460 --> 00:54:41,580
goes back to Julian James and his

1122
00:54:47,810 --> 00:54:43,470
bicameral mind as well in some sense

1123
00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:47,820
doesn't it you know my side of the brain

1124
00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:50,280
is the part where the gods spoke to the

1125
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:53,190
people and I think they you know what

1126
00:54:57,350 --> 00:54:54,530
struck me about all this sophisticated

1127
00:54:59,480 --> 00:54:57,360
mathematics and geometry as well it's as

1128
00:55:01,100 --> 00:54:59,490
if the people who created these things

1129
00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:01,110
didn't think of them in the sort of

1130
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:03,540
analytical way that we do it was almost

1131
00:55:10,190 --> 00:55:05,370
as if it all came at once is this a

1132
00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:10,200
little almost a visionary thing yeah is

1133
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:12,870
it like you know some people who were

1134
00:55:18,110 --> 00:55:15,410
stood a high high performing high

1135
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:18,120
performing autism can do incredible

1136
00:55:24,620 --> 00:55:22,950
mathematics yes instance although you

1137
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:24,630
know they're incredible composers as

1138
00:55:28,580 --> 00:55:25,590
well

1139
00:55:30,260 --> 00:55:28,590
it's as if that they have this

1140
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,270
instantaneous contact with something

1141
00:55:35,830 --> 00:55:32,880
which is it's not broken down to

1142
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:35,840
constituent parts it's all of one thing

1143
00:55:44,330 --> 00:55:39,690
and it can manifest in one way like that

1144
00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:44,340
I think yeah I think you're right you

1145
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:45,720
know I noticed you know and sometimes

1146
00:55:53,090 --> 00:55:49,800
you know in my very you know puny and

1147
00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:53,100
paltry artistic endeavors you know I

1148
00:55:56,570 --> 00:55:55,020
used to write a lot of poetry and song

1149
00:56:00,350 --> 00:55:56,580
lyrics and things like that and I

1150
00:56:03,110 --> 00:56:00,360
remember when I had the best the best

1151
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,120
work that I ever did it seemed to just

1152
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,760
sort of fall out of me it wasn't as

1153
00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:08,160
though I was thinking it it all appeared

1154
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:11,310
sort of in one piece you know it

1155
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:14,310
all came out together and I always felt

1156
00:56:18,350 --> 00:56:15,810
like I couldn't take any credit for it

1157
00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:18,360
because I didn't think about it it just

1158
00:56:24,770 --> 00:56:22,800
sort of came out and it was it was in a

1159
00:56:27,890 --> 00:56:24,780
whole piece it wasn't like it didn't

1160
00:56:30,580 --> 00:56:27,900
come wine by line by line you know so

1161
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:30,590
you know in a much bigger way I think

1162
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:34,680
maybe people in the past had this

1163
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:38,010
ability to access and like you said some

1164
00:56:43,340 --> 00:56:40,020
autistic people I've seen that some

1165
00:56:47,540 --> 00:56:43,350
amazing things done by people that are

1166
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:47,550
autistic they're you know they'll know

1167
00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:50,130
one subject inside and out there's

1168
00:56:54,890 --> 00:56:52,230
nothing you could ask them that they

1169
00:56:57,350 --> 00:56:54,900
wouldn't be able to answer I've met

1170
00:57:00,380 --> 00:56:57,360
several in my in my lifetime and it is

1171
00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:00,390
it is quite amazing and it's almost as

1172
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,940
if they're accessing some part of their

1173
00:57:08,420 --> 00:57:05,520
brain that we sort of shut off or

1174
00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:08,430
something maybe I think we have I think

1175
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:11,430
we are particularly in Western culture I

1176
00:57:17,330 --> 00:57:13,530
think that's another thing that draws me

1177
00:57:19,610 --> 00:57:17,340
to this part of the world because you

1178
00:57:23,540 --> 00:57:19,620
you meet people who have a fundamentally

1179
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:23,550
different vision of reality I think

1180
00:57:28,940 --> 00:57:25,710
that's what the ancient peoples added

1181
00:57:30,650 --> 00:57:28,950
much more than we have now we sort of

1182
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:30,660
excluded a lot of things from

1183
00:57:36,050 --> 00:57:33,090
consciousness so you can get on with I

1184
00:57:38,090 --> 00:57:36,060
don't know making things that make

1185
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:38,100
things makers happy people don't really

1186
00:57:45,550 --> 00:57:42,000
know exactly exactly you know what it's

1187
00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:48,250
hey welcome back to night vision we're

1188
00:57:53,110 --> 00:57:50,420
talking with Dave Truman from Bolivia

1189
00:57:56,350 --> 00:57:53,120
right now where he's exploring and

1190
00:57:58,930 --> 00:57:56,360
researching and writing and looking into

1191
00:58:01,960 --> 00:57:58,940
the secrets of the Andes in the ancients

1192
00:58:05,050 --> 00:58:01,970
and advanced civilizations and all kinds

1193
00:58:06,460 --> 00:58:05,060
of really really interesting stuff we've

1194
00:58:09,010 --> 00:58:06,470
been talking about alignments of

1195
00:58:13,090 --> 00:58:09,020
locations or the science of geomancy

1196
00:58:17,170 --> 00:58:13,100
it's called where a a purposeful effort

1197
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,180
is made to set ups alignments between

1198
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:19,760
certain locations for some kind of

1199
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:22,910
benefit be it energy positive energy be

1200
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:25,250
it success in business be it a spiritual

1201
00:58:32,590 --> 00:58:30,710
connection and so much more so we're

1202
00:58:36,370 --> 00:58:32,600
down at the at the bottom of the show

1203
00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:36,380
and so I'm looking at the chat room

1204
00:58:42,190 --> 00:58:38,980
everybody is very very engaged and

1205
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:42,200
talking about all kinds of things that

1206
00:58:48,910 --> 00:58:46,370
we're talking about but now Dave what is

1207
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:48,920
it that you're looking into specifically

1208
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:52,010
if you can talk about it why are you in

1209
00:58:57,010 --> 00:58:54,010
Bolivia at the moment

1210
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:57,020
well I'm here actually to I'm going to

1211
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,040
go to Inca pukara or pacaya Grandison

1212
00:59:07,060 --> 00:59:03,440
which is as I said just a southeast of

1213
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,070
uluru here I'm taking out a magnetometer

1214
00:59:12,430 --> 00:59:09,680
a compass for me to just take some more

1215
00:59:14,590 --> 00:59:12,440
measurements to see exactly what's going

1216
00:59:17,590 --> 00:59:14,600
on with the changes in the magnetic

1217
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:17,600
field here and whether I can take some

1218
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:20,650
more photographs like I mentioned I did

1219
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,010
years ago here but I'm also going to

1220
00:59:31,660 --> 00:59:27,680
write a chapter for the book on this

1221
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:31,670
part of Bolivia which is a ruler and in

1222
00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:36,170
Kirkuk are and because the the carnival

1223
00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:39,500
in a goes back way way back to some of

1224
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:41,390
the earliest inhabitants of the Andes

1225
00:59:46,570 --> 00:59:44,450
called the world in people in fact the

1226
00:59:50,980 --> 00:59:46,580
name of Lula actually in the original

1227
00:59:54,310 --> 00:59:50,990
language is border border and it was

1228
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:54,320
their sacred center and it's it was

1229
00:59:58,070 --> 00:59:55,910
originally according to the people of

1230
01:00:01,580 --> 00:59:58,080
research to hear the millions who

1231
01:00:03,830 --> 01:00:01,590
Aurora and it was actually huge if you

1232
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,840
like if you can think of something like

1233
01:00:09,050 --> 01:00:06,240
you know the Glastonbury zodiac you've

1234
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:09,060
heard about it yes I was it was like

1235
01:00:15,980 --> 01:00:12,240
that with his huge geoglyphs showing all

1236
01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:15,990
of these different mythological figures

1237
01:00:22,850 --> 01:00:20,700
in in the world and the cataclysms and

1238
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:22,860
changes in the legends as well they're

1239
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:25,290
all mapped out here and these ceremonies

1240
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:28,530
eventually turned into over thousands of

1241
01:00:33,740 --> 01:00:32,250
years what is now the rule carnival so

1242
01:00:36,050 --> 01:00:33,750
I'm interested in finding out a bit more

1243
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:36,060
about that and the O's and their early

1244
01:00:41,570 --> 01:00:39,510
history and again that these places at

1245
01:00:43,220 --> 01:00:41,580
such an early date form part of an

1246
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:43,230
environment that goes for thousands of

1247
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:47,010
miles of Northwest at the end is what I

1248
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:49,650
find so incredible but this this

1249
01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:52,770
alignment is weird because it relates to

1250
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:55,260
history and prehistory and all sorts of

1251
01:01:00,320 --> 01:00:58,290
ways there are strange critical events

1252
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:00,330
that happen during the time of in

1253
01:01:06,850 --> 01:01:03,210
because along this alignments that are

1254
01:01:09,830 --> 01:01:06,860
quite uncanny I mentioned earlier

1255
01:01:11,780 --> 01:01:09,840
cajamarca which is that the north west

1256
01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:11,790
end of the alignments is he like in

1257
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:14,760
Northwest and through that was the place

1258
01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:17,490
where actually the Spaniards took power

1259
01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:20,520
from the Incas it was where they tricks

1260
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:24,870
I think a Walter into providing the

1261
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:27,570
ransom and gold for them and then

1262
01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:29,970
decided to do away with it anyway after

1263
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,220
he filled this house full of gold has

1264
01:01:37,370 --> 01:01:35,280
managed to take away so that event which

1265
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:37,380
was absolutely a turning point in the

1266
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:39,570
history of South America arrival and the

1267
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:41,010
defeat of the Incas by the Spanish

1268
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:44,610
occurred on this alignment then 40 years

1269
01:01:50,810 --> 01:01:47,250
later if he goes take the alignment down

1270
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:50,820
to cusco the main square in cusco and

1271
01:01:56,650 --> 01:01:53,130
actually sits exactly on the same

1272
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:56,660
alignment and this was where the two -

1273
01:02:01,790 --> 01:01:59,220
Incas actually were assassinated by the

1274
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:01,800
Spanish tupac amaru the first and

1275
01:02:05,540 --> 01:02:04,290
allegedly knew going the next verse - in

1276
01:02:08,650 --> 01:02:05,550
the 1570s

1277
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:08,660
and then tupac amaru the second

1278
01:02:16,330 --> 01:02:12,770
in 1782 who led the rebellion against

1279
01:02:18,610 --> 01:02:16,340
Spanish rule so all of these curious

1280
01:02:21,970 --> 01:02:18,620
events happened among this loot of

1281
01:02:24,610 --> 01:02:21,980
bigger culture it's quite uncanny this

1282
01:02:26,260 --> 01:02:24,620
is the holidays are almost here

1283
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:26,270
but you can still treat yourself at

1284
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:28,490
Guitar Center with deals like a Fender

1285
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,770
acoustic electric guitar or a Mitchell

1286
01:02:35,860 --> 01:02:32,720
electric guitar launched back with am

1287
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:35,870
your choice just 139 plus weakly

1288
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:38,240
doorbuster deals special financing the

1289
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:49,370
newest and hottest guitars shopping so

1290
01:02:53,590 --> 01:02:51,890
hurry in and find yourself at Guitar

1291
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:53,600
Center with some kind of loop going

1292
01:02:59,860 --> 01:02:57,290
through time and events in time that

1293
01:03:06,400 --> 01:02:59,870
seems to line up with this alignment

1294
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:06,410
dancing and ease you know you were

1295
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:08,410
talking you mentioned peru cusco and

1296
01:03:16,270 --> 01:03:13,370
peru you know the the most famous site I

1297
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:16,280
believe for Americans anyway in Peru is

1298
01:03:23,820 --> 01:03:20,240
it is of course Machu Picchu and a lot

1299
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:23,830
of people associate that with

1300
01:03:32,110 --> 01:03:26,450
extraterrestrials and it's said that

1301
01:03:35,170 --> 01:03:32,120
there's a sign at the top of the the

1302
01:03:38,650 --> 01:03:35,180
mountain welcome of knees or you know

1303
01:03:41,860 --> 01:03:38,660
bienvenidos of knees or something like

1304
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:41,870
that now in the cultural history in the

1305
01:03:47,380 --> 01:03:44,810
ancient history of the area

1306
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:47,390
is there any mention of any kind of

1307
01:03:57,070 --> 01:03:51,310
things like gods from the skies or

1308
01:03:58,960 --> 01:03:57,080
anything yeah I mean I think you know

1309
01:04:02,440 --> 01:03:58,970
said about people from the state's Aztec

1310
01:04:05,770 --> 01:04:02,450
Machu Picchu every time I thought you

1311
01:04:08,310 --> 01:04:05,780
know just chats with people and cafe or

1312
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:08,320
something about what I'm why I'm here

1313
01:04:14,410 --> 01:04:10,690
inevitably this objections of of

1314
01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:14,420
extraterrestrials I I find it very

1315
01:04:19,069 --> 01:04:16,670
disturbing is a good question and I

1316
01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:19,079
think it's actually

1317
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:20,190
you know if I was just talking about

1318
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:22,529
before I came down to talk on the phone

1319
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:24,900
and some people were here where I'm

1320
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:30,329
staying and I I think it's more about

1321
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:33,839
actually having more than three spatial

1322
01:04:38,539 --> 01:04:36,079
dimensions and that a lot of these

1323
01:04:40,940 --> 01:04:38,549
experiences that people say happen not

1324
01:04:45,019 --> 01:04:40,950
in these places is because they're

1325
01:04:47,509 --> 01:04:45,029
having experiences it needs some sort of

1326
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,519
altered states of consciousness that

1327
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:49,200
doesn't mean that these things are

1328
01:04:53,630 --> 01:04:51,569
illusions it just means that perhaps we

1329
01:04:58,249 --> 01:04:53,640
need to think that broader about the

1330
01:05:00,650 --> 01:04:58,259
nature of UFO experiences and contacts

1331
01:05:03,229 --> 01:05:00,660
that the world isn't just three

1332
01:05:05,930 --> 01:05:03,239
dimensions and solid matter but the

1333
01:05:07,789 --> 01:05:05,940
universe is actually much broader and I

1334
01:05:10,969 --> 01:05:07,799
think people are actually making contact

1335
01:05:13,609 --> 01:05:10,979
with real entities but those entities

1336
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:13,619
may not necessarily be from another

1337
01:05:17,539 --> 01:05:15,569
physical planet or they may not think

1338
01:05:19,819 --> 01:05:17,549
they may be from a part of the universe

1339
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:19,829
for we know but not necessarily from

1340
01:05:24,259 --> 01:05:23,130
another physical planet right and you

1341
01:05:28,699 --> 01:05:24,269
know you were talking about these

1342
01:05:31,249 --> 01:05:28,709
locations the the you know what could be

1343
01:05:34,189 --> 01:05:31,259
a portal through other dimensions or

1344
01:05:36,019 --> 01:05:34,199
another reality you know it could also

1345
01:05:38,269 --> 01:05:36,029
explain a lot of times when you hear

1346
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:38,279
people talking about seeing these you

1347
01:05:44,299 --> 01:05:40,170
know flying objects in the sky these

1348
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:44,309
these ships they'll just pop off you

1349
01:05:49,969 --> 01:05:47,400
know or pop on and which could be

1350
01:05:51,769 --> 01:05:49,979
explained by you know shifting in or out

1351
01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:51,779
of another dimension and and of course

1352
01:05:58,219 --> 01:05:54,809
science is just now getting to the place

1353
01:06:02,079 --> 01:05:58,229
where they are agreeing that you know

1354
01:06:05,449 --> 01:06:02,089
there are parallel universes parallel

1355
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:05,459
dimensions so I think it is it's it's

1356
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:07,650
another matter of us catching up with

1357
01:06:13,209 --> 01:06:10,130
our science you know I think and then

1358
01:06:16,009 --> 01:06:13,219
we'll explain a lot of things because

1359
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:16,019
just as you know in ancient times if

1360
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:17,849
someone had you know seen an airplane

1361
01:06:22,279 --> 01:06:19,049
they would have thought that was some

1362
01:06:23,689 --> 01:06:22,289
kind of magic you know saying it's just

1363
01:06:25,999 --> 01:06:23,699
something we haven't figured out yet

1364
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:26,009
maybe we figured it out in the past but

1365
01:06:31,830 --> 01:06:29,369
maybe we forgot it I think so I think so

1366
01:06:34,890 --> 01:06:31,840
I think we also

1367
01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:34,900
as a culture if we can define ourselves

1368
01:06:40,020 --> 01:06:37,270
as a unified culture as a scientific

1369
01:06:42,930 --> 01:06:40,030
culture if you like there's a certain

1370
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:42,940
degree of hubris about the modern world

1371
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:45,760
and we think we've got it all sorted and

1372
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:48,310
all the answers but do we really I mean

1373
01:06:54,690 --> 01:06:51,130
we still don't have a unified field

1374
01:06:57,300 --> 01:06:54,700
theory in physics you know there's in

1375
01:07:00,120 --> 01:06:57,310
simple terms we found match up the very

1376
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:00,130
big to very small there isn't one thing

1377
01:07:06,090 --> 01:07:03,370
that binds it all together so we don't

1378
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:06,100
have all the answers and mainly the

1379
01:07:11,490 --> 01:07:08,710
ancient people did have in many respects

1380
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:11,500
maybe they understood the nature of

1381
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:14,650
reality in a much more profound way than

1382
01:07:17,580 --> 01:07:15,970
we do today

1383
01:07:22,020 --> 01:07:17,590
you know I think I think we genuinely

1384
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:22,030
lost a lot in in the years since the end

1385
01:07:28,110 --> 01:07:24,610
of the last ice age yeah and that's like

1386
01:07:29,610 --> 01:07:28,120
oh is it well I do think we you know

1387
01:07:32,670 --> 01:07:29,620
probably have made a big mistake by

1388
01:07:35,070 --> 01:07:32,680
thinking of people that came before us

1389
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:35,080
as being primitive and therefore just

1390
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:39,310
not really paying much attention but I

1391
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:44,410
think that I think it will loot Lee I

1392
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:48,400
mean IIM in in in the research of India

1393
01:07:52,170 --> 01:07:50,050
I've just been doing a chapter before I

1394
01:07:54,780 --> 01:07:52,180
came out here this time I was looking at

1395
01:07:56,460 --> 01:07:54,790
the effects of what a story might have

1396
01:08:00,780 --> 01:07:56,470
been here and then I was looking at the

1397
01:08:03,090 --> 01:08:00,790
evidence and the evidence is not as

1398
01:08:05,010 --> 01:08:03,100
straightforward as the archaeologists

1399
01:08:07,860 --> 01:08:05,020
like to tell you there all sorts of odd

1400
01:08:13,020 --> 01:08:07,870
things in the Altiplano that don't match

1401
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:13,030
up fines of tools that was sitting in

1402
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:14,890
the same place don't all some of them

1403
01:08:20,930 --> 01:08:17,050
really well made fine tools by facial

1404
01:08:23,849 --> 01:08:20,940
tools alongside would include ones and

1405
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:23,859
the assumption for example that people

1406
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:25,810
lived in caves because they didn't know

1407
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:28,480
how to build shelters or sophisticated

1408
01:08:33,750 --> 01:08:30,850
buildings or maybe they lived in caves

1409
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:33,760
because everything had been wiped out by

1410
01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:36,310
by some flood or catastrophe and

1411
01:08:41,790 --> 01:08:38,230
cometary impacts and goodness knows what

1412
01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:41,800
and they were taking shelter there and

1413
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:43,270
what's interesting about many of the

1414
01:08:47,649 --> 01:08:45,679
cave paintings that you get

1415
01:08:50,109 --> 01:08:47,659
of interest certain in some very

1416
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:50,119
interesting ones down here if it seems

1417
01:08:55,769 --> 01:08:52,369
to be the shaman's who were organizing

1418
01:08:58,629 --> 01:08:55,779
people to help them sort of first of all

1419
01:09:01,209 --> 01:08:58,639
organize themselves into large bands so

1420
01:09:04,059 --> 01:09:01,219
they could go out and hunt whatever

1421
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:04,069
animals were left alive but also

1422
01:09:08,740 --> 01:09:06,770
teaching and many many things it's as if

1423
01:09:12,010 --> 01:09:08,750
they're almost like this little culture

1424
01:09:15,339 --> 01:09:12,020
figure that I mentioned earlier giving

1425
01:09:17,979 --> 01:09:15,349
people ground rules and ways techniques

1426
01:09:19,629 --> 01:09:17,989
and trying to say practical and

1427
01:09:21,820 --> 01:09:19,639
spiritual knowledge at the same time

1428
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:21,830
because they didn't see the things as

1429
01:09:30,999 --> 01:09:28,310
separate like we do right right now so

1430
01:09:32,589 --> 01:09:31,009
you did you say did I just hear you say

1431
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:32,599
that you've been there for three months

1432
01:09:37,209 --> 01:09:36,170
this time well this trip is gonna be for

1433
01:09:39,879 --> 01:09:37,219
four months actually

1434
01:09:44,019 --> 01:09:39,889
Wow just about a month now yeah I came

1435
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:44,029
out on the 15th November so I usually do

1436
01:09:51,609 --> 01:09:48,489
I don't like doing winter in England yes

1437
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:51,619
so you are you are still based in

1438
01:09:59,010 --> 01:09:55,070
England yes yeah and there's a house

1439
01:10:02,260 --> 01:09:59,020
there and slowly most of my writing and

1440
01:10:04,810 --> 01:10:02,270
research obviously it is a bit over here

1441
01:10:06,580 --> 01:10:04,820
so you know it's going back to time

1442
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:06,590
resources and trying to trace things

1443
01:10:11,410 --> 01:10:08,810
back to the originals when I do this as

1444
01:10:13,780 --> 01:10:11,420
a book research but actually coming out

1445
01:10:16,089 --> 01:10:13,790
and visiting sites and taking

1446
01:10:18,820 --> 01:10:16,099
measurements and trying compasses around

1447
01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:18,830
and those sorts of things we very much

1448
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:22,190
part of it as well then goes to museums

1449
01:10:25,780 --> 01:10:23,690
and libraries here they're really

1450
01:10:27,879 --> 01:10:25,790
important the stuff in the libraries

1451
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:27,889
here in my path which is absolutely

1452
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:32,210
amazed me you know I mean it's the

1453
01:10:37,390 --> 01:10:34,730
paradigm is shifting but the idea of

1454
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:37,400
clovis first the first peoples came

1455
01:10:42,609 --> 01:10:40,159
across the Bering Strait during the Ice

1456
01:10:46,379 --> 01:10:42,619
Age and that somehow they nice to come

1457
01:10:48,820 --> 01:10:46,389
all the way down here in thousand years

1458
01:10:50,410 --> 01:10:48,830
nearly to Tierra del Fuego

1459
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:50,420
that's going out the window now because

1460
01:10:56,979 --> 01:10:52,369
there's so much information around about

1461
01:10:59,170 --> 01:10:56,989
early inhabitants of South America and

1462
01:11:01,870 --> 01:10:59,180
North America that way before

1463
01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:01,880
the glowing these people came across the

1464
01:11:08,530 --> 01:11:05,870
Bering Strait and I found a lot of

1465
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:08,540
material in in the library in one house

1466
01:11:14,620 --> 01:11:11,210
which is of cocky logical digs that

1467
01:11:17,230 --> 01:11:14,630
during the 1950's just when I started

1468
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:17,240
doing Carver 14 dating actually that

1469
01:11:23,220 --> 01:11:19,610
showed that there were people on the

1470
01:11:26,730 --> 01:11:23,230
Altiplano here 30,000 years ago mm-hmm

1471
01:11:29,290 --> 01:11:26,740
making stone tools and what-have-you and

1472
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:29,300
I'm beginning to think that you know

1473
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:30,890
many of these you know these great

1474
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:33,050
political blocks of stone that you see

1475
01:11:38,860 --> 01:11:36,410
in cuzco ollantaytambo these huge

1476
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,870
megalithic buildings all the bottoms of

1477
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:40,400
what are now current buildings in the

1478
01:11:46,830 --> 01:11:43,010
city they probably go back to 30 40

1479
01:11:49,810 --> 01:11:46,840
thousand years at least and tihuanaco

1480
01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:49,820
probably about 11 and a half at least in

1481
01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:52,910
the way that we see it now because

1482
01:11:57,820 --> 01:11:55,310
there's been astronomical dating Daan of

1483
01:12:00,130 --> 01:11:57,830
the cornerstones of one of the temples

1484
01:12:02,830 --> 01:12:00,140
there that it goes back to lend a half

1485
01:12:05,260 --> 01:12:02,840
thousand years and that current identity

1486
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:05,270
is just at the end of the Ice Age when

1487
01:12:11,740 --> 01:12:09,530
the flood subsided and the legends tell

1488
01:12:13,570 --> 01:12:11,750
us as I said before that the Rakata came

1489
01:12:15,790 --> 01:12:13,580
along and he constructed a menarche

1490
01:12:19,660 --> 01:12:15,800
no such at the time then that fits in

1491
01:12:23,230 --> 01:12:19,670
perfectly well well you know you had

1492
01:12:28,050 --> 01:12:23,240
mentioned lake titicaca earlier and you

1493
01:12:30,250 --> 01:12:28,060
know I noticed on your website you had a

1494
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:30,260
some things you've written about it and

1495
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:33,050
the and the the heading was something

1496
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:36,730
about the terrestrial source of creation

1497
01:12:46,060 --> 01:12:43,760
yeah what what do you mean by that this

1498
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:46,070
is something that you 88 goes back to

1499
01:12:51,610 --> 01:12:48,170
geomancy again and the idea of the

1500
01:12:53,950 --> 01:12:51,620
omphalos the the sense of the geometric

1501
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:53,960
center it was the place from which a

1502
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:57,650
creation sprang and obviously around the

1503
01:13:02,380 --> 01:12:59,360
world there are many of these places but

1504
01:13:05,410 --> 01:13:02,390
you get the same basic concept in in

1505
01:13:08,140 --> 01:13:05,420
many many cultures in Egypt in Sumeria

1506
01:13:11,260 --> 01:13:08,150
of for example an island rising out of

1507
01:13:11,949 --> 01:13:11,270
this the waters and creation emanating

1508
01:13:15,129 --> 01:13:11,959
from there

1509
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:15,139
in the Andes it took the form of another

1510
01:13:21,459 --> 01:13:18,050
part of the culture niffle which was

1511
01:13:24,429 --> 01:13:21,469
that Villa Katya arose out of the waters

1512
01:13:27,629 --> 01:13:24,439
of Lake Titicaca and created the Sun and

1513
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:27,639
the moon so the world was no longer dark

1514
01:13:34,660 --> 01:13:33,050
and from that sprang everything and all

1515
01:13:38,259 --> 01:13:34,670
all of the different tribes and the

1516
01:13:41,890 --> 01:13:38,269
Andes were named as part of this

1517
01:13:43,689 --> 01:13:41,900
creation process by media culture but

1518
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:43,699
very much about this sort of the idea of

1519
01:13:47,919 --> 01:13:46,159
an island rising out of the waters and

1520
01:13:51,549 --> 01:13:47,929
there's a there's a particular part of

1521
01:13:54,939 --> 01:13:51,559
the island of the Sun which is closely

1522
01:13:57,939 --> 01:13:54,949
associated with that and it also became

1523
01:13:59,799 --> 01:13:57,949
linked in movie the origins of the Incas

1524
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:59,809
as well the first thing because Mamoru

1525
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:01,280
and manco capac

1526
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,570
and we're also said to listen from the

1527
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:07,760
other islands of the Sun at the place

1528
01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:11,570
called the lion cliffs or the a stone of

1529
01:14:18,009 --> 01:14:15,289
the puma and that very interesting but

1530
01:14:19,719 --> 01:14:18,019
the strong parallels with cultures

1531
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:19,729
around the world I found him in this

1532
01:14:27,489 --> 01:14:24,170
mythology and you know it's amazing

1533
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,499
isn't it how you know we're finding out

1534
01:14:32,919 --> 01:14:29,840
new things about such ancient past all

1535
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:32,929
the time and how we now know what

1536
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:37,280
travelers a lot of these people were and

1537
01:14:42,549 --> 01:14:39,679
especially the seafaring people the

1538
01:14:45,179 --> 01:14:42,559
seafaring cultures they you know they

1539
01:14:48,129 --> 01:14:45,189
were traveling all over the world and

1540
01:14:52,209 --> 01:14:48,139
that's why I think that's why I asked

1541
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,219
you whether or not you know the there

1542
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,320
was any relationship to Tijuana in

1543
01:15:01,120 --> 01:14:56,719
Mexico because of the it sounded a lot

1544
01:15:03,219 --> 01:15:01,130
like you know the same word almost

1545
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:03,229
because it seems like these people were

1546
01:15:08,699 --> 01:15:04,610
traveling all over

1547
01:15:11,259 --> 01:15:08,709
oh absolutely and III don't doubt that

1548
01:15:13,060 --> 01:15:11,269
untouched of and the more I looking to

1549
01:15:15,939 --> 01:15:13,070
it and realized that there were very

1550
01:15:19,029 --> 01:15:15,949
definite connections between Peru and

1551
01:15:20,770 --> 01:15:19,039
Central America I mean that there's

1552
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:20,780
archaeological evidence now that shows

1553
01:15:26,110 --> 01:15:22,010
it

1554
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:26,120
but they found a stone of a decanter

1555
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:29,330
here that they've carbon dated back to

1556
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:31,970
14 and half thousand years ago what on

1557
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:33,770
the northern coast of Peru actually not

1558
01:15:39,340 --> 01:15:36,050
in Bolivia hmm that's quite curious

1559
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:39,350
because wild avocados only grown South

1560
01:15:46,510 --> 01:15:43,600
and Central America and in any case

1561
01:15:48,820 --> 01:15:46,520
people in there are staged never ate

1562
01:15:51,580 --> 01:15:48,830
avocados because the wild ones were all

1563
01:15:54,780 --> 01:15:51,590
stone and then flash they're eaten by

1564
01:15:59,500 --> 01:15:54,790
these huge animals like sloths and

1565
01:16:02,320 --> 01:15:59,510
mastodons and so on so it suggests very

1566
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:02,330
strongly that not only were the links

1567
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:05,120
between Central America and Mexico and

1568
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:08,000
Peru but also that there might have been

1569
01:16:14,020 --> 01:16:10,930
strayed by sea between the two places

1570
01:16:15,550 --> 01:16:14,030
because uh the epicardium is probably of

1571
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:15,560
the stone that they found was probably

1572
01:16:20,850 --> 01:16:18,650
cultivated so people were cultivating

1573
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:20,860
deliberately cultivating avocados

1574
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:23,570
thirteen fourteen thousand years ago and

1575
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:26,690
South America the other the other part

1576
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:28,640
of it is of course the potato we take

1577
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:31,970
potatoes for granted today you know

1578
01:16:37,150 --> 01:16:34,010
they've done genetic studies on potatoes

1579
01:16:39,490 --> 01:16:37,160
recently that showing that this wild

1580
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:39,500
potatoes are poisonous and endless of

1581
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:42,560
the deadly nightshade family yeah and

1582
01:16:47,260 --> 01:16:45,170
there's 200 species of wild potato

1583
01:16:49,660 --> 01:16:47,270
that's all originated in the Andes up

1584
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:49,670
and down the mountain range but they

1585
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:53,440
didn't just become edible by chance

1586
01:16:59,200 --> 01:16:56,330
somebody on the present-day

1587
01:17:02,560 --> 01:16:59,210
border or through in Bolivia on on the

1588
01:17:04,270 --> 01:17:02,570
Saudis and in the Andean range actually

1589
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:04,280
ten thousand years ago

1590
01:17:10,170 --> 01:17:06,770
worked out how to cross different types

1591
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:10,180
of wild potatoes you said in the crops

1592
01:17:16,810 --> 01:17:14,480
how did they figure that out well I mean

1593
01:17:18,820 --> 01:17:16,820
I don't know the absolute details how

1594
01:17:22,450 --> 01:17:18,830
they trace the genomes probably they

1595
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:22,460
chased the genome lines back to us at

1596
01:17:25,630 --> 01:17:24,890
this particular place so I actually did

1597
01:17:28,330 --> 01:17:25,640
you deliberately

1598
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:28,340
this didn't happen by chance something

1599
01:17:32,170 --> 01:17:29,840
was actually working on cross

1600
01:17:33,470 --> 01:17:32,180
pollinating different species world

1601
01:17:35,420 --> 01:17:33,480
potato

1602
01:17:39,490 --> 01:17:35,430
is an edible crop that's pretty

1603
01:17:42,410 --> 01:17:39,500
sophisticated absolutely heaven

1604
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:42,420
absolutely and so you've got things like

1605
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:44,610
avocados you've got potatoes

1606
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:46,890
you've got Tomatoes there's another one

1607
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:48,930
you see because there's some people

1608
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:50,610
think that tomatoes actually originated

1609
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:52,890
in the Andes and then we're traded up

1610
01:17:59,960 --> 01:17:56,010
into Mexico and Central America and

1611
01:18:02,270 --> 01:17:59,970
growing there which is possibility but

1612
01:18:06,110 --> 01:18:02,280
the sea change people travel by the sea

1613
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:06,120
a thousand years ago absolutely yeah

1614
01:18:11,420 --> 01:18:09,120
yeah I agree I agree I mean we're

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01:18:15,220 --> 01:18:11,430
finding things you know even in the

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01:18:17,900 --> 01:18:15,230
United States you know remnants of

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01:18:20,210 --> 01:18:17,910
things that you know you know maybe not

1618
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:20,220
that part back but certainly you know

1619
01:18:24,650 --> 01:18:22,770
with finding Viking things you know some

1620
01:18:28,729 --> 01:18:24,660
people believe the Knights Templar made

1621
01:18:31,729 --> 01:18:28,739
it this far and even Phoenicians and in

1622
01:18:34,270 --> 01:18:31,739
others from from ancient times were

1623
01:18:37,580 --> 01:18:34,280
traveling to the Americas it was

1624
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:37,590
unbelievable but so you've got another

1625
01:18:43,550 --> 01:18:40,560
three months to go in Bolivia then

1626
01:18:45,140 --> 01:18:43,560
you're gonna go back to England gonna be

1627
01:18:47,540 --> 01:18:45,150
starting to get a little bit warmer by

1628
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:47,550
then so it'll be nice and then you're

1629
01:18:51,860 --> 01:18:49,110
gonna get back and you're gonna write

1630
01:18:54,670 --> 01:18:51,870
this book is that is oh I thought she

1631
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:54,680
written most of it already Renee oh oh

1632
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:57,690
I'm like I said I'm here in Aurora

1633
01:19:01,700 --> 01:18:59,580
because I'm gonna do a bit more research

1634
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:01,710
on on this part of that great

1635
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:04,050
environment and I'm going all the way up

1636
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:07,320
to the north through Cajamarca which is

1637
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:10,290
the top end of the alignment I'm gonna

1638
01:19:15,380 --> 01:19:13,050
do a bit more research there as well but

1639
01:19:17,900 --> 01:19:15,390
yeah and there's a couple of bits that I

1640
01:19:19,670 --> 01:19:17,910
need to link and about that's the plan

1641
01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:19,680
oh when do you expect that the book

1642
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:23,310
might be released hopefully sometime

1643
01:19:28,510 --> 01:19:24,090
next year

1644
01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:28,520
I work out publishes and things like

1645
01:19:36,020 --> 01:19:32,430
this keep a surprised and I'll post it

1646
01:19:37,490 --> 01:19:36,030
you know so that people can see how to

1647
01:19:38,810 --> 01:19:37,500
get it and of course they can check back

1648
01:19:42,010 --> 01:19:38,820
on your website I'm sure you'll have

1649
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,020
information on it there oh time comes

1650
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:44,800
Facebook page as well of course

1651
01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:48,640
yeah yeah it's there so I only started

1652
01:19:53,970 --> 01:19:52,510
that less than a month ago and I can't

1653
01:19:56,430 --> 01:19:53,980
remember how many people actually joined

1654
01:19:58,050 --> 01:19:56,440
but I'm getting about 50 60 people whose

1655
01:20:02,370 --> 01:19:58,060
day asking to become part of the

1656
01:20:06,770 --> 01:20:02,380
Facebook group amazing fantastic yeah oh

1657
01:20:09,090 --> 01:20:06,780
so you're a newbie on Facebook yeah I

1658
01:20:13,470 --> 01:20:09,100
resisted it for a while but I think I've

1659
01:20:15,060 --> 01:20:13,480
been on since around 2008 now but I went

1660
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:15,070
on kicking and screaming I didn't want

1661
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:17,920
to do it but it is very useful and it's

1662
01:20:23,370 --> 01:20:19,510
wonderful for keeping in touch with

1663
01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:23,380
friends all around the world so I want

1664
01:20:28,290 --> 01:20:25,150
that and you know sharing information

1665
01:20:29,940 --> 01:20:28,300
especially you know it's really

1666
01:20:32,250 --> 01:20:29,950
interesting I was thinking today about

1667
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:32,260
you you know coming on the show and how

1668
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:34,770
you know I met you through court and

1669
01:20:40,830 --> 01:20:37,090
court and I have talked about this a lot

1670
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:40,840
about how you know one person has this

1671
01:20:46,620 --> 01:20:43,930
piece you know it may live in Germany

1672
01:20:49,230 --> 01:20:46,630
and another piece it has it has a bit of

1673
01:20:51,540 --> 01:20:49,240
information and they live in Mexico and

1674
01:20:53,220 --> 01:20:51,550
then and so we've connected with all

1675
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:53,230
these people all around the world that

1676
01:20:57,060 --> 01:20:55,120
have little bits of the puzzle and how

1677
01:20:59,550 --> 01:20:57,070
you've that's what you've done with

1678
01:21:02,370 --> 01:20:59,560
court is you guys have taken each

1679
01:21:05,730 --> 01:21:02,380
other's work and you know sort of melded

1680
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:05,740
your own and it brought you to another

1681
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:09,010
dimension so it's amazing how that works

1682
01:21:14,430 --> 01:21:11,530
and in that Facebook is good for that

1683
01:21:16,890 --> 01:21:14,440
that's that's for sure oh definitely

1684
01:21:19,860 --> 01:21:16,900
definitely in fact getting a dialogues

1685
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:19,870
going as well with people you know I

1686
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:21,850
mean I've just been putting stuff up

1687
01:21:26,970 --> 01:21:25,360
there are photographs in museums and

1688
01:21:31,310 --> 01:21:26,980
things it's quite interesting people's

1689
01:21:35,220 --> 01:21:31,320
reactions to it because I've gone for a

1690
01:21:37,050 --> 01:21:35,230
lot obscure but lesser-known places

1691
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:37,060
because there are amazing things here I

1692
01:21:41,070 --> 01:21:38,410
mean you mentioned only about Machu

1693
01:21:43,620 --> 01:21:41,080
Picchu which is an amazing place there's

1694
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:43,630
so many other places that are much less

1695
01:21:51,930 --> 01:21:46,570
alone and don't cost as much division

1696
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:51,940
either yeah they do charge a lot to get

1697
01:21:57,709 --> 01:21:53,920
to Machu Picchu it has become a bit of

1698
01:22:01,370 --> 01:21:59,390
ya know there are many places in the

1699
01:22:03,979 --> 01:22:01,380
north through there's such incredible

1700
01:22:06,910 --> 01:22:03,989
sights there's a there's a culture

1701
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:06,920
called the Chachapoyas that lived him in

1702
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:10,410
the head of the Amazon in the district

1703
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:12,330
called the Amazonas and they used to

1704
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,090
build huge cities of the top of the

1705
01:22:20,590 --> 01:22:17,280
mountains the swamp life layer called

1706
01:22:23,930 --> 01:22:20,600
cool app which is worth a visit I know

1707
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:23,940
they're very interesting people and

1708
01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:25,920
every time I go there or see some of

1709
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:27,780
their culture I'm reminded that the

1710
01:22:33,470 --> 01:22:31,050
celts something we enough because of the

1711
01:22:35,570 --> 01:22:33,480
shapes of the houses and adults you know

1712
01:22:37,070 --> 01:22:35,580
like the celtic round houses with the

1713
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:37,080
such roots right

1714
01:22:43,820 --> 01:22:41,520
these were most identical and and again

1715
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:43,830
many of them apparently blonde haired

1716
01:22:47,930 --> 01:22:46,290
and fair-haired as well oh right I

1717
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:47,940
posted some of those pictures on

1718
01:22:52,370 --> 01:22:48,960
Facebook

1719
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:52,380
oh yeah yeah those they look red-haired

1720
01:22:56,810 --> 01:22:54,570
you know those those are the mummies

1721
01:22:58,880 --> 01:22:56,820
yeah that's something amazing practice

1722
01:23:02,180 --> 01:22:58,890
people and so on it's clearly strange

1723
01:23:03,620 --> 01:23:02,190
that as well well gee Dave you know I I

1724
01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:03,630
hate to say it but I think we're just

1725
01:23:07,820 --> 01:23:05,910
about all at a time I want to mention

1726
01:23:12,370 --> 01:23:07,830
your website one more time it's called

1727
01:23:15,890 --> 01:23:12,380
Los science of the Andes dot-com also

1728
01:23:17,570 --> 01:23:15,900
hit Dave up for friendship on Facebook

1729
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:17,580
while you still can because his list is

1730
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:20,010
filling up fast don't get in there who I

1731
01:23:24,350 --> 01:23:21,930
again and then we'll get all the latest

1732
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:24,360
on when his new book is coming out so

1733
01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:26,250
we'll be very excited to hear all about

1734
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:29,400
that but Dave thanks so much for coming

1735
01:24:34,290 --> 01:23:51,300
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